Comments on: A “Cussin’ Pastor” at SBC Events? What the . . . – Tyler Jones speaks up against Mark Dricsoll’s Critics http://toddongod.com/2009/01/19/a-cussing-pastor-at-sbc-events-what-the-tyler-jones-speaks-up-against-mark-dricsolls-critics/ Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:24:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Jeff C http://toddongod.com/2009/01/19/a-cussing-pastor-at-sbc-events-what-the-tyler-jones-speaks-up-against-mark-dricsolls-critics/#comment-1440 Jeff C Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:41:21 +0000 http://toddongod.com/?p=1088#comment-1440 Repentance = brokenness + a change in position. Mark Driscoll's public apology displayed brokeness over his choice of words. He has not used improper language in many years. If it is broken like a duck, and changes like a duck, then it's a repentant duck. Also, I'm quite sure you agree that Pastor Driscoll has displayed a change in position and I'm fairly certain that you do not enjoy the privilege of judging the broikeness of his heart under these circumstances. Just remember, we are all "worms" (Isaiah 14:41) and our best deed are but filthy rags. (Isaiah 64:6). Jesus specializes in worms. I'm a worm. Are you? Repentance = brokenness + a change in position. Mark Driscoll’s public apology displayed brokeness over his choice of words. He has not used improper language in many years. If it is broken like a duck, and changes like a duck, then it’s a repentant duck.

Also, I’m quite sure you agree that Pastor Driscoll has displayed a change in position and I’m fairly certain that you do not enjoy the privilege of judging the broikeness of his heart under these circumstances. Just remember, we are all “worms” (Isaiah 14:41) and our best deed are but filthy rags. (Isaiah 64:6). Jesus specializes in worms. I’m a worm. Are you?

]]> By: Keith Walters http://toddongod.com/2009/01/19/a-cussing-pastor-at-sbc-events-what-the-tyler-jones-speaks-up-against-mark-dricsolls-critics/#comment-574 Keith Walters Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:09:31 +0000 http://toddongod.com/?p=1088#comment-574 Seriously Peter, all of that and then you don’t reply to an honest question? Seriously Peter, all of that and then you don’t reply to an honest question?

]]> By: Keith Walters http://toddongod.com/2009/01/19/a-cussing-pastor-at-sbc-events-what-the-tyler-jones-speaks-up-against-mark-dricsolls-critics/#comment-567 Keith Walters Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:48:38 +0000 http://toddongod.com/?p=1088#comment-567 Peter, How would you define repentance and how would Driscoll's "repentance" (we can leave it in quotes for now) measure up to your definition? Peter,
How would you define repentance and how would Driscoll’s “repentance” (we can leave it in quotes for now) measure up to your definition?

]]> By: Peter Lumpkins http://toddongod.com/2009/01/19/a-cussing-pastor-at-sbc-events-what-the-tyler-jones-speaks-up-against-mark-dricsolls-critics/#comment-566 Peter Lumpkins Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:12:15 +0000 http://toddongod.com/?p=1088#comment-566 Todd, Oops. Sorry, Todd. I did not see Keith's stellar wisdom for you before I posted, else I would have forfeited the comment just posted. As for Keith, I haven't the faintest idea who he is, though it's fairly certain he thinks he knows me--"not fair or charitable or teachable. he is a partisan with all the one sided spinning that such a label entails." Terrific! I would covet your prayers, however. Thank you and God bless. With that, I am... Peter Todd,

Oops. Sorry, Todd. I did not see Keith’s stellar wisdom for you before I posted, else I would have forfeited the comment just posted.

As for Keith, I haven’t the faintest idea who he is, though it’s fairly certain he thinks he knows me–”not fair or charitable or teachable. he is a partisan with all the one sided spinning that such a label entails.” Terrific!

I would covet your prayers, however. Thank you and God bless.

With that, I am…

Peter

]]> By: Peter Lumpkins http://toddongod.com/2009/01/19/a-cussing-pastor-at-sbc-events-what-the-tyler-jones-speaks-up-against-mark-dricsolls-critics/#comment-565 Peter Lumpkins Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:03:37 +0000 http://toddongod.com/?p=1088#comment-565 Todd, Oh my. Inevitably, my brother, you seem to go below the belt--sniping at one's inner life--rather than remaining on target with an issue. For example, why does it have to be that I am "unwilling to accept Driscoll's repentance on this subject"? Such assertion curiously presumes: a) objectively, Driscoll has, in fact, repented b) I am UNWILLING to acknowledge such an objective reality Given such, the obvious conclusion is clear: there is something flawed about me; that is, <i><b>me personally</b></i>. For anyone who rejects a person's repentance surely has <i><b>serious inner issues</b></i> with which to contend. But why is this? Why, for example, could it not be an honest dispute about what, in fact, constitutes genuine public repentance? Supposing that were so, then it would not at all involve my <b><i>unwillingness to acknowledge a repentant person's actions, which is grossly sub-Christian</i></b>. Instead, it would <i><b> focus on whether or not a particular act was factually a repentant act</i></b>. Hence, the dialogical focus would center on ideas, not derailing the conversation, digging at anothers personal integrity. Even more, I need to state clearly that, were I <i><b> unwilling</i></b> to accept an act of genuine repentance, I would be a miserable human being, not to mention a Christian in name only. Therefore, understand: my reluctance has zero to do with my <i><b>unwillingingness</i></b> to honor a man's genuine repentance. Rather, it is about <i><b>perspective, proof, evidence</i></b>. I trust your day well. With that, I am... Peter Todd,

Oh my. Inevitably, my brother, you seem to go below the belt–sniping at one’s inner life–rather than remaining on target with an issue.

For example, why does it have to be that I am “unwilling to accept Driscoll’s repentance on this subject”? Such assertion curiously presumes:

a) objectively, Driscoll has, in fact, repented
b) I am UNWILLING to acknowledge such an objective reality

Given such, the obvious conclusion is clear: there is something flawed about me; that is, me personally. For anyone who rejects a person’s repentance surely has serious inner issues with which to contend.

But why is this? Why, for example, could it not be an honest dispute about what, in fact, constitutes genuine public repentance?

Supposing that were so, then it would not at all involve my unwillingness to acknowledge a repentant person’s actions, which is grossly sub-Christian. Instead, it would focus on whether or not a particular act was factually a repentant act. Hence, the dialogical focus would center on ideas, not derailing the conversation, digging at anothers personal integrity.

Even more, I need to state clearly that, were I unwilling to accept an act of genuine repentance, I would be a miserable human being, not to mention a Christian in name only.

Therefore, understand: my reluctance has zero to do with my unwillingingness to honor a man’s genuine repentance. Rather, it is about perspective, proof, evidence.

I trust your day well.

With that, I am…
Peter

]]> By: Todd Burus http://toddongod.com/2009/01/19/a-cussing-pastor-at-sbc-events-what-the-tyler-jones-speaks-up-against-mark-dricsolls-critics/#comment-564 Todd Burus Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:48:33 +0000 http://toddongod.com/?p=1088#comment-564 Keith, Thank you for your words. I know it is a symptom of my youth that I get easily led into foolish arguments. I'm trying to get better about it, but I allowed myself to slip into it again here. Thanks again. Keith,
Thank you for your words. I know it is a symptom of my youth that I get easily led into foolish arguments. I’m trying to get better about it, but I allowed myself to slip into it again here. Thanks again.

]]> By: bkingr http://toddongod.com/2009/01/19/a-cussing-pastor-at-sbc-events-what-the-tyler-jones-speaks-up-against-mark-dricsolls-critics/#comment-563 bkingr Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:21:28 +0000 http://toddongod.com/?p=1088#comment-563 Todd, Engaging with Peter Lumpkins is a mistake. he is not fair or charitable or teachable. he is a partisan with all the one sided spinning that such a label entails. Praying for God to change his heart would be more profitable. Keith Todd, Engaging with Peter Lumpkins is a mistake. he is not fair or charitable or teachable. he is a partisan with all the one sided spinning that such a label entails. Praying for God to change his heart would be more profitable.

Keith

]]> By: Todd Burus http://toddongod.com/2009/01/19/a-cussing-pastor-at-sbc-events-what-the-tyler-jones-speaks-up-against-mark-dricsolls-critics/#comment-561 Todd Burus Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:15:16 +0000 http://toddongod.com/?p=1088#comment-561 Peter, I know you are unwilling to accept Driscoll's repentance on this subject. I would invite other people reading here to listen to it and see if they find it as inadequate as apparently you do. Peter,
I know you are unwilling to accept Driscoll’s repentance on this subject. I would invite other people reading here to listen to it and see if they find it as inadequate as apparently you do.

]]> By: Peter Lumpkins http://toddongod.com/2009/01/19/a-cussing-pastor-at-sbc-events-what-the-tyler-jones-speaks-up-against-mark-dricsolls-critics/#comment-560 Peter Lumpkins Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:47:43 +0000 http://toddongod.com/?p=1088#comment-560 Dear Todd, Why, thank you, Todd for the link. I invite your readers to consider my post in its entirety, along with the attempt in the comment thread by Tyler, which you mention above, to drain this pond dry. From my view, it's a no-go, at least, thus far. Furthermore, they are welcome to conclude whether or not my post is as "uncharitable and unresearched" as you describe it. With that, I am... Peter Dear Todd,

Why, thank you, Todd for the link. I invite your readers to consider my post in its entirety, along with the attempt in the comment thread by Tyler, which you mention above, to drain this pond dry. From my view, it’s a no-go, at least, thus far.

Furthermore, they are welcome to conclude whether or not my post is as “uncharitable and unresearched” as you describe it.

With that, I am…

Peter

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